and jonas' points, in texas we're attracted businesses from new york and california because of the businesses were moving here because the labor costs are lower and-- >> taxes play a role in the unionization rate in my opinion, but-- >> but if you're looking at individual companies toby. >> i mean, the union jobs, i flew out to arizona on a union plane with union pilots. that's been there for 60, 70 years, those industries have shrunk and less planes, less workers, et cetera. >> i drove a rental car that was built by a company that's now two-thirds than it started out 30 years ago, so you can't make the case here in any shape or form that union labor and all the benefits and all the costs and all the inefficiency has anything to do with a stronger economy, factual. >> brenda: that's got to be the last word, thanks, guys. coming up, the white house putting out new rules for the president's health care law. why the cavuto gang says it just puts the nanny state in your workplace. and that at the bottom of the hour, but up here first, federal employeesleading with congress we've suffered the loss